Nick Cohen's new book, 'what's left', has generated considerable controversy on many fronts, not least in the view of a left critique that has sought to discredit Cohen for not accepting the legitimacy of the 'decent' anti-war movement; a critique with which I am moved, especially by an article I saw by Martin Rowson in the current edition of Tribune, to agree with.
It has widened my perspective somewhat. Until now, my perspective could be likened to a reformist version of the AWL perspective, with a more liberal-leaning underlying IR theory, but similar conclusions; namely that the Stalinisation of parts of the Leninist 'left' have created counter working-class conditions in parts of that movement, in terms of attitudes towards Iraq, for a most poignant example.
This simplifies Trotsky on the matter considerably, and does not seek to deny that even he may have supported Islamists, to a limited extent. But the point I always understood about the Trotskyist attitude to extra-domestic political forces was that quite restrictive and definite political requirements are made of them for support to be given, for example the old IS slogan 'Neither Washington nor Moscow, but International Socialism'. Indeed, the British SWP were even more hostile to the Stalinist USSR than most other trot groups.
Yet these days, the only political criterium to be met for the approval and unconditional support of the SWP is opposition to the US or Israel. Even far right figures are welcome, as are theocrats such as Hamas.
Cohen essentially agrees with me on the degradation of the SWP and like-minded groups, such as the Socialist Party and Worker's Power. On the basis of the lessons of Stalinism for the workers' movement, so do the AWL.
This even leads me to the same conclusions as the AWL on the solution to the problems of Iraq and militant Islamism in the middle east. Strong independant Labour movement.
I like to add to that with constitutional democracy, done by people themselves. But that's because I'm not a revolutionary socialist (at least, not until it comes with the 'democratic' bit, and there's no pre-existing democracy to work through).
But the point is that the malaise enjoyed in terms of corruption of principle in Pro-war 'anti-War' left foreign policy is largely due to a sudden forgetfulness of the proper reaction to Stalinism, namely that in order to support a movement or organisation, the left should whack a few pretty important criteria on it (as opposed to a reductionist analysis which, by seeing things in purely black vs white shades, based on a conception of imperialism, actually admits in itself it's own fallacy; 'comrades, we must fail to take all of the factors and class analysis into account!').
Rowson's Tribune article makes the point rather forcefully that the same mistake has indeed been mirrored by those on the pro-war left, who have aligned themselves with neoconservatism, an ideology that owes to a melding of the worst points (for the global disadvantaged, at least) of both IR realism (what is good, at any cost, for us/US...) and IR liberal internationalism (...is good for everybody), rather uncritically if I may say so. Like the trots at the SWP, it is reasoned, we on the 'decent' left have political alliances to maintain, and avoid disturbing.
Great. So are we too to drop our criteria for who we support internationally?
Furthermore, in opposing the pro war anti war left, has cohen, as his left critics claim, 'bent the stick' too far the opposite way?
Just thought I'd summate the basics of what I'm saying with this extract from Rowson's piece:
"Does abhorrence of 'Islamophobia' trump hatred of 'Islamofascism' or freedom trump security, or self-determination trump internationalism, or do human rights trump sovereignty, or does universalism trump stability, or does being killed by your own government trump being killed by someone else's? And does democracy trump death?
Death is what actually trumps everything, and that's the reason why I, and many others like me found ourselves marching, for an hour at least, with people we wouldn't normally go within 1000 miles of (and I remember wondering, while looking at the Islamists and Trots around me, who would kill whom first if they ever won the final victory)."
Although I don't agree that all of the above are real dichotomies, I do think that the first paragraph explains the terms of the debate, and why the legitimately 'left of centre' could feel that the balance falls more on either side of each.
Although we don't all agree with Nick Cohen on issues of war and peace, I think it quite possible that we can be both anti-war and left, provided that we are really anti-war, as opposed to merely nominally anti-war (and purely revolutionary defeatist) like those who Cohen rightly says we should be contemptuous of. There is, in other words, a legitimate anti-war left, and a legitimate left which doesn't share Cohen's contextual interpretation or political priorites en large. Check out that bold paragraph.
We're not all anti-democratic. In fact, Rowson's characterisation of pro-war Eustonites as 'neo-tankies', with their preponderance for bombs is rather undemocratic in itself. Democracy does not equal death from above (Their government or yours?). The 'neo-tankies' point also points rather accusatorially, but rightly so, towards the accomodation of neoconservatism, and the suggestion that what is best for western states' upper echelons is somehow the same as what is good for everyday Iraqis... that our (or infrastructurally minded corporations) interest in controlling the resources and people of faraway lands is the same as that of those controlled, or indeed melted by white phosphorous shells. Dominance by our model of trade and US based companies=Good for Iraqis. Not necessarily, I'm afraid.
I do not think that our ('anti-war Eustonites/decents') political alliance with pro-war 'decent' leftists, or their political alliance with neoconservatism is sacred and protected at all costs to our principal, or that criticism must be blunted or sharpened (indeed, that sort of debate is what Euston is all about). To do that would be to simply mirror the fallacies of the SWP, something which we should be rather keen to avoid.
So where now?
I can disagree with Cohen without agreeing with the SWP, and very much the same vice versa. Perhaps he is, then, missing a hefty chunk of the point.
Moreover, on a personal level, I don't feel that being 'pro-war' (as opposed to 'pro-some wars') can ever be catagorised as left... for the political tradition of the left is to avoid war wherever possible.
Death trumps all. There is utility in that. But democracy is next in line.







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and undoubtedly must have
atypical & quiescent potential
for your intended readership.
May I suggest that you do
everything in your power to
honor your encyclopedic/omniscient
Designer/Architect as well
as your revering audience.
As soon as we acknowledge
this Supreme Designer/Architect,
Who has erected the beauteous
fabric of the universe, our minds
must necessarily be ravished with
wonder at His infinite goodness,
wisdom and power.
Please remember to never
restrict anyone's opportunities
for ascertaining uninterrupted
existence for their quintessence.
There is a time for everything,
a season for every activity
under heaven. A time to be
born and a time to die. A
time to plant and a time to
harvest. A time to kill and
a time to heal. A time to
tear down and a time to
rebuild. A time to cry and
a time to laugh. A time to
grieve and a time to dance.
A time to scatter stones
and a time to gather stones.
A time to embrace and a
time to turn away. A time to
search and a time to lose.
A time to keep and a time to
throw away. A time to tear
and a time to mend. A time
to be quiet and a time to
speak up. A time to love
and a time to hate. A time
for war and a time for peace.
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be as a City upon a hill. The eyes of
all people are upon us. So that if we
shall deal falsely with our God in this
work we have undertaken, and so
cause Him to withdraw his present
help from us, we shall be made a
story and a byword throughout the
world." --John Winthrop, Governor
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people, is the greatest benefit which the human
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- Immanuel Kant (Philosopher)
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- Charles Dickens (Author)
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- Sir Isaac Newton (Scientist)
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let the natural sciences progress in
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the human mind widen itself as much
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--Patrick Henry (original member
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God designed humans to want to
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G. K. Chesterton famously put it,
when we reject the God of the
Bible, we don't believe in nothing;
we believe in everything -- including
Little Green Men. - - Chuck Colson
I am trying here to prevent anyone from
saying the really foolish thing that people
often say about Jesus Christ: "I'm ready
to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher,
but I don't accept His claim to be God."
That is the one thing we must not say.
A man who was merely a man and said
the sort of things Jesus said would not be
a great moral teacher. He would either be
a lunatic -- on a level with a man who says
he is a poached egg -- or else he would be
the Devil of Hell.
You must make your choice. Either this Man
was, and is, the Son of God, or else a madman
or something worse .... You can shut Him up
for fool, you can spit at Him and kill Him as a
demon; or you can fall at His feet and call Him
Lord and God. But let us not come up with any
patronizing nonsense about His being a great
human teacher. He has not left that option
open to us. He did not intend to. -- From
Case for Christianity, by C.S. Lewis
"Let every student be plainly instructed and
earnestly pressed to consider well the main
end of his life and studies is to know God
and Jesus Christ which is eternal life (John
17:3)." - - - The Laws and Statutes of
Harvard College in 1643
"All scholars shall live religious, godly,
and blameless lives according to the rules
of God's Word, diligently reading the Holy
Scriptures, the fountain of light and truth;
and constantly attend upon all the duties
of religion, both in public and secret."
- - - Two central requirements in Yale
College 1745 charter
If you stop believing what your professor
told you had to be true and if you start
thinking for yourself you may come to some
conclusions you hadn't expected. You may
find the Bible makes more sense than you
thought or were told to think. Allow yourself
to be ruined, ruined with regard to what you
always thought could be true. Can you believe
what you don't understand? You and I believe
everyday what we don't understand unless it
comes to the issue of salvation.
- - - Dr. Woodrow Kroll
There is simply no historic foundation for the
position that the Framers intended to build the
'wall of separation' that was constitutionalized
in Everson. The 'wall of separation between
church and state' is a metaphor based on bad
history, a metaphor which has proved useless
as a guide to judging. It should be frankly and
explicitly abandoned. - - - Chief Justice of
the US Supreme Court, William Rehnquist
In 1796 the US Supreme Court issued this
ruling, "By our form of government, the
Christian religion is the established religion,
and all sects and denominations of Christians
are placed on equal footing." Some 57 years
later, after Congress was petitioned to separate
Christian principles from government, in 1853
the House Judiciary Committee issued their
formal report, including these words: "In this
age there is no substitute for Christianity.
This was the religion of the founders of the
republic, and they expected it to be the
religion of their dependents. The great vital,
conservative elements in our system is the
belief of our people in the pure doctrines
and divine truths of the gospel of Jesus
Christ." - - - Dr. Gerald Beavan
"It is the duty of nations, as well as of men,
to own their dependence upon the overruling
power of God and to recognize the sublime
truth announced in the Holy Scriptures and
proven by all history, that those nations only
are blessed whose God is the Lord."
-- President Abraham Lincoln
Trust in yourself and you are doomed to
disappointment; trust in money and you
may have it taken from you; but trust in
God, and you are never to be confounded
in time or eternity. - D.L. Moody
Faith and love are apt to be spasmodic
in the best of minds. Men and women live
on the brink of mysteries and harmonies
into which they never enter and with their
hand on the door latch they die outside.
- - GK Chesterton
Best wishes for continued ascendancy,
Dr. Whoami
P.S. Here's some blogs that I found
of interest as I negotiated my way
through cyberspace:
Every Student
Religion Comparison
Around the Well
Danish Cartoons
Arabic Cartoons
Muhammad or Jesus???
Answering Islam
Is Jesus God?
A Short Look At Six World Religions
God's Word in different languages...
How to become a Christian
Who Is Jesus?
See The Word
Watch The Jesus Movie
Spanish Cartoons
German Cartoons
Chinese Cartoons
Italian Cartoons
Greek Cartoons
Japanese Cartoons
Portuguese Cartoons
French Cartoons
Hindi Cartoons
Russian Cartoons
'Thought & Humor'
Only one of these is amalgamated with me -
can you determine which one??? Tell me
sometime what your thoughts are about
all this:O)
Piss off, you lucheon meat purveying phalangist bastard.
I am sorry that idiot took up all the space. I have almost forgotten what I wanted to say I was so pissed off by it. Anyway, I think the "pro-war left" are really dangerous. Here in Canada where the I.S. is a fraction of the force of the SWP the anti-war movement is being slandered as supporting Islamic reaction using Cohen's book as ammunition. This is simply not true, and I doubt if it really is with the rank and file movement members in England either. I think what the ruling elite want to create is a politics somewhat left on certain social issues but always loyal to the Empire and its wars. This is the case in the USA with the Democrats and the Republicans. I think this form of politics is for export to other countries and I think people like Cohen may be unwitting salesmen for it. Of course, you could say the Blairites are already that way, but you know as well as I, most Labour supporters aren't with Blair toadying up to the US and its wars. Cohen however, gives a certain legitmacy to this approach. The thng to do is not become a foot soldier for the Empire, but wrestle control of the peace movement from the hands of the SWP and eliminate the "enemy of my enemy is my friend" foolishness. However, I am not up on the Labour Left or the CND types and the other groups who oppose the SWP approach (like the anarchists) are relatively few in number, so maybe I am talking through my hat?
I forgot to mention there is a local (favorable) review of Cohen and the rather brutal discussion which followed. I don't know if you are in to looking at this and don't blame you if you aren"t but if you do, I am the one listed as "Anarcho" See
http://thetyee.ca/Books/2007/01/31/Solidarity/
Luncheon meat purveying Phalangist? How marvellously crazy!
Does he have any thoughts on the left's attitude to the middle east?
... the anti-war movement is being slandered as supporting Islamic reaction using Cohen's book as ammunition. This is simply not true...
For the hundredth time, Cohen does not generalise about the anti-war movement (far less than, indeed, than people generalise about the so-called 'pro-war movement'), and if his words are taken out of context, how is that his fault, and how does it invalidate any of what he says??
What he does say about commentators caring more about their own politics than the future of Iraq is amply demonstrated here, if you don't mind me saying.
I don't think the Socialist Party supports Islamists, but maybe I'm wrong.
B4L, don't you think that looking at the politcal thought behind Iraq is important for deciding how we act in future similar situations?
Most of my writing about this is motivated by a gut-wrenching fear that the same unholy bloodshed could once again occur.
I don't dispute that it is important to support Iraqi democrats, but I can't see why one cannot do that without talking about the wider foreign policy structure...
I'm not really sure it's for Nick Cohen to decide the order of importance of foreign policy discussions anyway!
B4L, don't you think that looking at the politcal thought behind Iraq is important for deciding how we act in future similar situations?
Yes, of course, but - and bear in mind that I'm classing you in the top few per cent of reasonable and thoughtful bloggers here - people expose their true attitudes by where they draw the line in these situations. People are quite entitled to investigate how future interventions can be carried out more effectively, just as people are entitled to contemplate the root causes of terrorism, but when it becomes clear that they're not actually interested in the truth - or an impartial analysis - and when we hear the same tropes over and over again, others will feel entitled to doubt their motives.
Fact is, the debate is loaded 95% in favour of the "analysing what went wrong for the West, Bush this, Blair that", and Iraqi democracy barely gets a look in. Because, to be frank, it's boring, which is one reason Cohen and others can be portrayed as being so tiresome and obsessive (but right). For similar reasons we get statements that Iraqi democrats are "tame". That's tragic.
B4L - surely the whole point is that what you think is best for the future of Iraq is likely to be shaped by your own political values and judgements?
Your comment seems to be premised upon the idea that the future of Iraq is somehow an issue that can be considered without political context, a contention that I find rather dubious.
A political context - maybe so, but why does it have to be the political context of Britain and the USA? Why are people so extraordinarily unwilling to direct their minds towards political solutions within Iraq, and working to stop democratic politics being snuffed out there?
I can't help feeling that an honest answer from this country would be: "We don't recognise it, we don't understand it, and we find it boring."
Indeed, and there you make a good point. I think that approach is something that envelopes all current conversations about the war.
The unwillingness of certain stakeholders to listen to the Iraqi union movement, and indeed popular discontent with a government which can be, upon our leaving, nothing but a Hamas-style elected tyranny, often recieves too little coverage. Of course it is important that we talk about what is happening in Iraq, particularly given the one-sided nature of the commentary of groups such as the SWP.
But what can I and others do to affect it? A sad statement to have to make, but one that I find has validity. About all I can do there is talk from a country thousands of miles off. But here I believe that there is, even yet, scope for persuasion, both on what is happening in Iraq right now, and why we need to change our wider foreign policy strategy, and avoid missing our goals or having them stolen by the (quite frankly, often approaching imperialist) right.
We need to establish our monopoly on progressive interventionism by winning people round and adapting our own perspective; for me, Iraq (something I feel quite passionate about in itself) just happens to be the issue which has prompted this.
Monopoly, I would add, which should largely be based upon a sort of fabian persuasiveness...
The two most thoughtful critiques of Cohen that I've read so far (Peter Wilby in the Observer, and John Kampfner, in the New Statesman), both attack Cohen for not being reformist and compromising enough.
Why don't those who opposed the war take the Harry Barnes approach and look to the future, supporting the Iraqi unions and democrats?
As I've said before, going on and on and on about "why the war was wrong" etc. etc. - coupled with a Galloway-esque refusal to condemn the murderous terrorist insurgency, choosing instead to direct your ire at President Bush and the Prime Minister - does not help the ordinary Iraqis in the slightest.
sham - yeah i am soooo supportive of the bloodshed and carnage being committed by the factions in Iraq - read my blog it's full of praise for those wonderful martyrs doing Allahs will. (sheesh)
I'll tell you why you don't read posts in "The West" condemning the factions - THERE ISN'T A DAMN THING ANY OF US CAN DO ABOUT THEM. We are nominally able to control the workings of our elected leaders through our dissent and their acknowledgement of their past mistakes and our opinions on the way forwards.
Devoting line after line condemning unspeakable and completely unjustifiable acts of murderous bloodshed serves no purpose other than to say - look aren't those bad guys really really bad. I think think they are badder than you think they are bad.... etc.
W
and...... Sham
why should i have to re-affirm my commitment to wanting to make things better for ordinary Iraqi's every time i comment on this issue, or that the bad guys over their are bad guys?
We have mis-managed (we, us) billions of dollars sent to help them, we didn't stop the looting, we made miscalulations on a phoenominal scale regarding reconstruction - trying to learn those lessons and wanting to make things more effective is seeking to help the Iraqi people, not to tear them down for our failures.
Much of this is Our fault....... and those of us who recognise that we screwed up royally are the ones responsible for where Iraq is today. We had a window of 6 months to get things right - we didn't, we didn't even try.
I am a union man, i wish the Iraqi unions all the best luck in the world - but we have put that country into an intolerable position having opened the pandoras box.
When you read the castigations of our leaders it is they who screwed the Iraqis first - we didn't have the materials ready to roll, we didn't have a reconstruction plan - if we had we could be out of there by now and the militias wouldn't have filled the power vacuums.
That in no-way excuses or apologizes for what the militias have done, or the other factions they are responsible for every bomb blast - but we are the reason they were allowed to flourish in the first place.
Recgnising and trying to correct our own failures in our position of weakness is not to tear down the Iraqi Union movement or to promote the militia violence (which for the record i abhor and detest).
Letting our accountable leaders off the hook because bigger bad guys (who we have no control over) have come along smacks as peculiar. Are you asking us to stand behind the leadership that has failed in every respect in order to combat an enemy we do not comprehend in their magnitude or goals?
W
W
You're right, they are accountable, quite unlike Saddam, who'd still be in power had your view held sway - but that's another matter entirely, I'll practice what I've preached and look to the future.
And it's precisely with that in mind that I feel it would be madness to pull the troops out now (as some in our own party desire); to leave Iraq to the militias will lead to infinitely more bloodhed and violence, which you so rightly abhor - it would just be nice if others spoke with the same clarity as yourself, instead of describing the killers as "freedom fighters".
the current conflict in Iraq is atleast a four-way.
I don't remember hearing the "freedom fighter" tag from anyone even vaguely sensible for a long long time - i don't troll on extreme Muslim-Brotherhood bulletin boards, or Galoways mob, or the SWP....... none of whom i give any credence to on their views of anything.
In the earliest days there was a core of people in Iraq who were solely fighting the invading army - they wanted Iraq back in the control of Iraqi's (not really caring which) - thats as close as anyone came to being a "freedom fighter", and then it was tenuous.
The question as to whether we remain is another one entirely - my own idela is for Iraq to be a federation with oil revenues distributed per-capita and a central government controlling the army, and each state controlling their police.
We have been training the Iraqi army and Police now for sometime - and we are turning out under trained, ill equipped units with a barely rebuilt accountability structure and a level of infiltration that beggars belief. Do we carry on that course?
If we stay we are policing a civil war - which we didn't have a hand in starting. We messed up the security situation, but it was the centuries of ill-feeling between sects that is to blame here and now. We can't fix that.
Should we stay?, yes, but only to train troops and aide the infrastructure, the combat forces should leave. We can not police their civil war any better than they can themselves.
W
Sham,
Thanks for the earlier plug, but the link does not seem to work. Anyone interested can try http://threescoreyearsandten.blogspot.com/2006/10/iraq-third-big-issue.html
As "What's Left" wasn't in stock in Waterstones and Blackwells in Sheffield by last Wednesday, I only bought my copy in London on Sunday. I have just finished reading it.
Most of Nick Cohen's criticisms have jusatifications, but he invariably goes over the top. Those of us who argued (a) against the war and (b) then in favour of Iraqis using the new and difficult circumstances which resulted to press for secular and democratic interests, are dealt with ambigiously. For (a) we are seen as naive or worse. For (b) we are doing what the rest of the anti-war movement should have moved on to.
Harry, that's exactly where I am on this.
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