You can say a lot about that George Galloway, but this is a positive thing. Anyine who can get the support both of Galloway and Luke Akehurst is onto a winner. I have no idea why SWP/Respect persists in running a candidate against a socialist mayor, but I suppose that's the SWP for you.
This is particularly insightful:
"In these new and developing circumstances, it would be self-indulgence, a luxury the left can no longer afford, to stand a candidate of the left against Livingstone for mayor. The danger of his defeat by the right is too great. With opinion polls varying between neck-and-neck and a substantial Tory lead, a left candidate opposing Livingstone really could aid the Tories and risk handing the keys to City Hall to the rancid reactionaries around Johnson."
Galloway, as far as I remember, is a character I haven't talked about much here. Lots of Labour people seem to have a visceral hatred of him, but I have more of a nagging distaste. His support for some variants of what I would describe as terrorism gets me, but the biggest problem I have with him are his views on 'sodomy'. This is accompanied all too often by tolerance of intolerance. I don't think the religion or background of somebody with intolerant beliefs should be any obstacle to them being criticised for them. It is not islamophobic to attack the quaranic take on homosexuality, and it is not 'anti-christian' to do the same thing with the bible. Of course, the right often uses these things as a stick with which to beat muslims, which is ironic given the widespread sexism and homophobia which exists in places on that side of the political divide. But people like galloway need to distinguish rightist criticisms of muslims (and occasionally their ethnicity) from left or liberal criticism of the islamic faith. Islamophobia is in business and booming, but it is not the only reason, as Galloways folks (and ex-folks) seem to eager to claim, for criticising this particular manifestation of superstition. I'm sure that Lenin, himself an advocate of terrorism as a political tool, would be appalled by the lack of militant atheism in the SWP. And I don't even advocate militant atheism in principle.
That aside, I think that Galloway is an admirable speaker who makes as many worthy points as he does poor ones. The development of 'Respect renewal' will be particularly interesting, prominent members of of Ken's Student Broad Left NUS faction (and socialist action) having defected. And let's face it, what a nice website. Apart from some of the content.
I remember him getting kicked out of the party in my hard left days. At that point I largely agreed with him; don't we believe in the right of nations to self defense anymore?
That said, I'm not sure that the public reason given for his removal was the real one. Perhaps we'll learn one day.
I can't claim to back either respects' agenda. There is more to politics than war. And a lot of the privatisation they describe is far from it. Further, on a more general note, a lot of the time it seems that they see the real enemy as the Labour Party, and the nefarious neo-fascist social democrats it contains.
Which, of course, makes Galloway's utterances towards de-sectarianisation all the more welcome. Vote Ken for democratic socialism.
Thursday, January 31, 2008
Galloway backs Ken
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"...but the biggest problem I have with him are his views on 'sodomy'."
What are his views on sodomy?
Good blog - from a fellow Wokingite. What are your thoughts on the LRC? I am a member. It would be great to get a few proper Reds together in Woking.
"What are his views on sodomy?"
He's not keen on it going on although - insert joke about unpleasant dictator here.
He's not keen on abortion rights either.
"it seems that they see the real enemy as the Labour Party, and the nefarious neo-fascist social democrats it contains."
I wonder why they think that! As if! Nuh uh! Not in this party! We're all so earnest and well meaning, that can't be our objective posistion in society! Us a neo-liberal capitalist imperialist front group with left rhetoric!?? Brbrbrbr at least we're not the Tories bebrb rbrb br etc ad nauseum pounding the streets brb rb rbr grow up rb brbrbrb.
Galloway also backed Saddam - and look how that ended up :p
I think you can be principled and you can get your point across within the Labour Party, or you can go onto your own agenda, try to break a party, make a whole scene and pretend that you've done it out of principle rather than out of a need to look good. That is what Galloway does.
Personally some of his beliefs border more on the Islamic socialist model... which is not good.
Good blog; Galloway is one of my pet love-to-hates, with the SWP not being far behind. That said, Lenin never advocated terrorism; in fact his tracts denouncing terrorism as the opposite of class struggle can be read online.
"Terrorism was the result—and also the symptom and concomitant—of lack of faith in insurrection, of the absence of conditions for insurrection." - Lenin.
Any definition of terrorism that encompasses coup d'etat is so wide as to be meaningless.
George on gay rights (I was particularly impressed he voted against 18. I remember in 1994 a lot of Labour MPs vote for 18 after 21 fell, and I was disgusted):
http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/opinion/2005-539.html
"Terrorism was the result—and also the symptom and concomitant—of lack of faith in insurrection, of the absence of conditions for insurrection." - Lenin."
The same guy who unleashed wave after wave of political violence in the interests of fear...
Commyguy, I do actually know another. I'm right of the LRC. Well, I say right, but I just mean less attached to policy orthodoxies. I'm rigidly soft left. Think Tribune.
"The same guy who unleashed wave after wave of political violence in the interests of fear..."
Lately though the ruling class and the fash have been very polite and just handed over their power and control over society though..oh wait... should I order in the white flags now or later? In the interests of fear? Whose fear? Which class was to be in fear, the oppressing or the oppressed and which would you rather? Agreed it went too far and combined with the devastation caused by the war and the failure of socialists in europe it was a poor way to birth a society.
I agree that the revolutionary war produced many horrors, on both sides. That is a war and, for both sides, one for survival. The SPD had no qualms going along with the reactionaries who murdered luxembourg and Liebnecht did they, yet, as we all know, the social-democrats deplore violence historically, unless it is bourgeois violence against workers and militants who have the gall to 'spoil' their attenpts at class collaborationist bourgeois state management. Not that I care here to tar you in particular with this brush, one can deplore the past violence without siding with the ruling class. But social democrats do have a history of that sort of thing you must admit.
Just to end in case this all seems rather pro violence, I believe that means and ends cannot be separated. I do not believe in the power of top down class collaboration nor of random momentous revolutioary uprisings at a stroke demolishing capitalism. Peacfully if we can, forcefully if we must and all that.
"nagging distaste"? nice tom, nice.
"I'm sure that Lenin, himself an advocate of terrorism as a political tool, would be appalled by the lack of militant atheism in the SWP"
Wrong on two accounts, Lenin did not advocate terrorism as a means to change, he advocated the self-emancipation of the working class, the very reason he turned to the latter politics was because his brother was hanged... he was charged with terrorism.
Secondly, the bolsheviks (and Lenin) supported the adoption of sharia law into soviets, funded Islamic schools and so on, to give full freedom to religious minorities to follow what they believed to be their faith. Female Bolshevik members frequently donned hijabs to speak to and recruit women involved in Islamic organisations around mosques.
All this would make the liberal racist clique in this country blush.
If you want an example of militant atheism, then the following period (of Stalin) was marred by persecution of religious minorities and staged hijab burning.
you can no longer connect swp with george galloway, respect has split,irrevocably. george galloway's respect renewal is backing ken livingstone wholeheartedly
whilst the left list (swp respect and everyone else) are standing lindsey german whilst also campaigning for second preference of ken
get your facts right
Galloway backs Ken: a poison chalice if ever there was one!
Yet another unsavoury character connected with Livingstone to join Gerry Adams in the days the IRA was bombing London and Islamic clerics who call on god to "destroy the usurper Jews, vile crusaders and infidels".
I don't know if the 7/7 bombers got any "usurper Jews" but they certainly "destroyed" plenty of "vile crusaders (Christians) and infidels".
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